sky7 19 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 12 minutes ago, SCR said: With regard to MBAM. I removed it, it presented way to many headaches. As soon as I find someone that I dislike enough I'll give them my lifetime license. I think that MBAM is still effective second opinion tool. If you really throw away lifetime license. I'm willing to take it. * I know you are kidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Most Valued Members SCR 195 Posted September 4, 2017 Most Valued Members Share Posted September 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, sky7 said: I think that MBAM is still effective second opinion tool. If you really throw away lifetime license. I'm willing to take it. * I know you are kidding No, I'm not kidding and I didn't say I was going to throw it away. I will put it to good use when the time comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persian-boy 22 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 On 9/4/2017 at 2:23 AM, John Alex said: Why exactly an average user has to " take time and learn how to use it or dig into the settings and config it manually because Eset in default settings is not that strong."? Why are not the default setting strong enough? I really believe this is a stupid approach to ask the user " just need to config it!"...... It is not the first time when ESET misses a ransomware detection, in spite of having a "dedicated' antiransomware module which should detect these based on behavior rather than signature.... Each day I am more and more disappointed..... Hello, When you buy a car you need to know how to drive it. If you are on the road and the car stopped working what you want to do?Are you telling yourself am an average driver?Lol. Imagine it's night and no one will help you. But what if you know how to fix the problem or at least have some knowledge of the cars and their mechanics? Sorry for my bad English I'm sure you know what I mean. Eset settings are those mechanics! You need to learn them but if you don't want to learn how to drive your VA or you are lazy why you bought an advanced antivirus? Why not a simple av?With zero protection(zero because those simple Avs don't have exploit protection, memory protection and more) Why you ppl only count ransomware and flash memory viruses as malware?exploit is malware, memory attack is malware and... I'm sure that Malwarebytes can't handle memory attack but Eset can try to block it because it has memory protection but Malwarebytes don't. Did you even know that?no, because you only count ransomware as malware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novice 20 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 On 9/5/2017 at 0:31 AM, persian-boy said: Why not a simple av? I asked myself the same question..... Why not a simple AV , like MSE? Is free, you do not have to set up anything and has a detection rate of 99.4% , compared with ESET (paid) 99.1% (consistent over 6 months period) hxxp://chart.av-comparatives.org/chart1.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Most Valued Members peteyt 395 Posted September 6, 2017 Most Valued Members Share Posted September 6, 2017 On 05/09/2017 at 10:07 PM, John Alex said: I asked myself the same question..... Why not a simple AV , like MSE??? Is free, you do not have to set up anything and has a detection rate of 99.4% , compared with ESET (paid) 99.1% (consistent over 6 months period) hxxp://chart.av-comparatives.org/chart1.php As shown In previous posts AV charts can be problematic. One company will show one thing and another will show another. It depends on many factors e.g. what samples are used. In my opinion all AVs are pretty similar in the end in most cases. If one misses something it will probably find something else the other ones didn't. All I can say is as an eset user ive never been infected as far as I know/remember but I also take security into my own hand, regularly make sure eset is working fine etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomFace 539 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) On 9/3/2017 at 8:23 PM, John Alex said: Why exactly an average user has to " take time and learn how to use it or dig into the settings and config it manually because Eset in default settings is not that strong."????? Why are not the default setting strong enough???? I really believe this is a stupid approach to ask the user " just need to config it!"...... It is not the first time when ESET misses a ransomware detection, in spite of having a "dedicated' antiransomware module which should detect these based on behavior rather than signature.... Each day I am more and more disappointed..... So why John Alex are you even here if ESET is so bad and you are so "disappointed"? Is it just to troll the forum and look for opportunities to inject your sage wisdom and call other users "stupid" ? I for one, do not need or want your advice. Edited September 7, 2017 by TomFace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novice 20 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 On 9/6/2017 at 6:41 PM, peteyt said: All I can say is as an eset user ive never been infected as far as I know/remember Hi, I have been using MSE 4.10 for a while and, again, never got infected, so "not being infected" is not a measure of "effectiveness" of your antivirus solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itman 1,740 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, John Alex said: Hi, I have been using MSE 4.10 for a while and, again, never got infected, so "not being infected" is not a measure of "effectiveness" of your antivirus solution. True. The biggest factor in not getting infected is a user's security "awareness." Safe browsing habits including only downloading software from legit known vendor web sites and the like. Ditto for e-mail settings and handling of attachments and the like, etc. etc. Add to that absolute diligence in applying all system and app software patches immediately when available. Unfortunately and in spite of the ever increasing malware epidemic, the average PC user does none of the above. For a security aware user, using MSE or WD most likely is adequate since both only concentrate on the most prevalent malware. Additionally, WD/MSE protection for Chrome or Firefox browsers are definitely sub-par to that provided by IE or Edge due to their use of browser based SmartScreen. Also when using either of Microsoft AV home solutions, you are relying on the Win firewall for network protection. Protection capability is conditioned upon using a NAT/SPI router with its own firewall protection and ensuring it is properly configure for security. Although the Win firewall provides adequate inbound protection it lacks the advanced network features Eset's IDS provides or the ability to easily configure outbound firewall rules. Edited September 17, 2017 by itman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novice 20 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, itman said: Eset's IDS provides or the ability to easily configure outbound firewall rules Thank you for your answer! I am using MSE + PC Tools Firewall Plus on a Win7/64. I had for years NOD 32 installed on my PC and my wife's PC, never found anything in "Quarantine". I still have one active license and one spare for NOD 32v , but v10 is heavy on my computers (compared with v8) , and , even though ESET should offer better protection than MSE , however on all AV Comparatives test in the last year , MSE performed better than ESET. So, why bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itman 1,740 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, John Alex said: PC Tools Firewall Plus That firewall hasn't been supported for years; ever since Symantec bought PC Tools and "killed off" the software. It is definitely not up to protecting against current network threats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novice 20 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 hour ago, itman said: protecting against current network threats It is a rules based firewall with basic HIPS, other than compatibility issues, what is to be "supported"? Isn't the job of the antimalware to protect against "current network threats"???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Most Valued Members peteyt 395 Posted September 18, 2017 Most Valued Members Share Posted September 18, 2017 4 hours ago, John Alex said: Hi, I have been using MSE 4.10 for a while and, again, never got infected, so "not being infected" is not a measure of "effectiveness" of your antivirus solution. I see a lot of people doing YouTube security tests where they throw everything they can at an AV. The problem is there is always a risk of something getting through. An AV is just a program and is prone to mistakes. Security starts with the user. 5 minutes ago, John Alex said: It is a rules based firewall with basic HIPS, other than compatibility issues, what is to be "supported"? Isn't the job of the antimalware to protect against "current network threats"???? Well apart from possibly missing out on newer technology if it is no longer supported there could also be vulnerabilities which could in turn make it useless. It's like people who still use CO which being no longer supported could have many vulnerabilities. Using an AV on XP in my opinion is like having a state of the art prison but with a big hole in the fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itman 1,740 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 13 hours ago, John Alex said: Isn't the job of the antimalware to protect against "current network threats"???? You also have another more pressing issue. You are using Win 7. The bulk of malware today is coded for commercial targets. As such, it is specifically targeted at Win 7 which many corps. still use. Note that most of the NSA exploits being employed today were designed and work on Win 7. If your a "fan" of Microsoft security protections, at least upgrade to Win 10 since they are most effective on that OS version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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